May 21, 2013

All Democrats are evil

Or, at least, a good number of conservative bloggers seem to think so.  Last week, John Hawkins over at RightWingNews put out a poll question to over a hundred conservative bloggers to name, in any order, the top 20 worst figures in American history.  43 of the bloggers responded (we weren’t asked, nor does it appear as if any of our colleagues from Virginia were asked either) and you can see the results of the poll here.  The results were, to put it mildly, interesting.

The list was not restricted to political figures – it was simply a list of worst Americans.  Now, John has come out and said he thinks the poll came out the way it did because of how he phrased the question, but in any event, it was still striking that of the 25 figures that received enough votes to make the list, 19 of them were on there for political reasons.  12 were Democratic politicians (only 1 Republican made it, Richard Nixon).  23 of them are from the 20th/21st centuries, with only 1 from 19th and 1 from the 18th century.

What bothers me about the list is that it is indicative of a mindset that has infected politics – one that has been around a long time, and that gets exacerbated whenever we get into a really difficult election season.  It is the mindset that those who disagree with you are evil, malignant and malicious creatures who are desperate to take over the country and remake it in their warped image.  Both sides fall victim to this – whether it’s Democrats accusing George Bush of plotting 9/11, of starting the Iraq war to benefit his rich oil buddies, doing nothing during Katrina because he hates black people, etc. or whether it’s Barack Obama is a secret muslim, manchurian candidate who was really born in Kenya and is trying to turn America into a Cuban style communist paradise.

One of the difficulties of the dynamics we have in American politics is trying to differentiate between what the founding fathers would have characterized as “men or measures.”  The debate back then was as common as the one today – which is more important in politics, the policies we adopt or the people we choose to represent us and create those policies?  The question still comes up for every individual voter when they pull a lever in the voting booth.  Some people don’t care who the politician is, so long as they have the right letter after their name.  Those voters believe in the “measures” said of the old debate, and assume that as long as they vote for one of the major parties, they’ll get that bundle of policy choices the party espouses.  Others care less about the policy and more about the individual.  They want people of character, honesty, integrity, and intelligence in office and they are willing to choose whichever candidate they think is the best for the job regardless of policy.  Those voters make up the bulk of the independent category.

But regardless of the party or the philosophy behind the choice, what we find very often is a willingness of all sides to villify their opponents.  Instead of simply disagreeing with the other side, recognizing that they have the same goal as you do but simply a different way of achieving that goal, and finding ways to compromise and work together, politics gets dumbed down into a Star Wars-like pitched battle between good and evil.  That’s how lists like this one get made.  How anyone can call Jimmy Carter the worst figure in American history I have no idea.  He shouldn’t even be on this list.  Yes, his presidency was a failure, but he was not an evil man.  He was not responsible for unnecessary deaths, guilty of treason, or irredeemably violent.  He was just a poor president.  That goes as well with all of the politicians on this list, except perhaps Nixon.  And he would only belong on the list because the damage he did to the American political landscape echoes to this day.

On a personal level, I have done my best to never let politics get in the way of dealing fairly and forthrightly with folks on both sides of the aisle.  I consider Ben Tribbett over at Not Larry Sabato a friend, and I’ve had a lot of good conversations with many of the Democrats in the Northern Virginia general assembly delegation – almost as many as I have had with Republicans.  Frankly, I think more folks on my own side of the aisle dislike me more than the Democrats do, which always strikes me as amusing.  But in the end, I have always felt that if I choose to like or dislike someone, it won’t be based on their politics.  It’s a shame that this isn’t a universal feeling.

It would be great if all of us could, in the future, view our political opponents – not enemies, but opponents – as people.  They may disagree with us, even vehemently, but in the end, we are all working to make Virginia and this country a better place.  We may not agree on how to get there but our goals are the same.

After the jump – if you’re interested and  because this kind of thing is fun – here’s my list of the 20 worst figures in American history, in general historical order. My list includes a variety of figures, some of whom were clearly more evil or depraved than the other, so they shouldn’t be compared to one another – simply looked at for how bad they were individually.

Benedict Arnold -  Attempted to turn over West Point to the British during the Revolutionary War.  Name is synonymous with treason.

Thomas Jefferson – While he had a few good qualities, he was an unabashed hypocrite, spendthrift and engaged in a variety of questionable activities in his personal life.  Publicly, he led the behind the scenes efforts to discredit George Washington, provided secret material to the French during the quasi-war period at the expense of the Adams Administration, and worked to undermine the Adams Administration while serving in it.  An inveterate liar, he frequently spoke behind his political opponents backs and is primarily responsible for the rise of political parties in American politics.  His presidency saw the dismantling of the Navy, which left us woefully unprepared for the War of 1812.

Aaron Burr – Killed Alexander Hamilton in a duel (although that wasn’t entirely bad – had Hamilton lived he would likely have made my list) and attempted to start up his own empire in the southwest United States after his political career failed.

James Buchanan – No other President did as much to bring about or as little to stop the Civil War as Buchanan. His presidency was the absolute worst in American history.  It saw the secession of  much of the deep south while he did nothing.  His collusion with Chief Justice Taney in the Dred Scott decision that rolled back multiple political compromises that had kept the Union together for thirty years was unforgivable.

William T. Sherman – His policy of engaging in total war in the South during the civil war destroyed huge swaths of the South, many areas never recovering fully.  His actions made an already vicious war even more terrible for tens of thousands of Southerners who were guilty of nothing more than having been born South of the Mason-Dixon.

John Wilkes Booth – Assassinated Abraham Lincoln – the single-most damaging thing  ever done to the South during the Civil War. Makes Sherman look like an angel.

Nathan Bedford Forrest – Founder of the Ku Klux Klan and southern partisan in the Reconstruction era.

Al Capone – Was the biggest and most famous of the Chicago gangsters of the 1920s, ran most of Chicago’s liquor rackets and was responsible for a variety of mass killings, including the St. Valentine’s Day massacre.

William J. Simmons – Founder of the modern Ku Klux Klan.

Theodore G. Bilbo – One of the most racist public officials in history.  Served as governor of Mississippi twice and US Senator from Mississippi for two terms.  Actively cultivated his white supremacist beliefs and did his best to defeat any kind of civil rights legislation while he was in the Senate.

The Rosenbergs – Traitors who provided American nuclear secrets to the Soviets, thus causing the arms race and lengthening the Cold War.

Charles Manson – Led a family of serial killers on a wave of violence across California in the 70s.

Jim Jones – Charesmatic leader of a pseudo-religious sect, that lead the deaths of 900 Americans, committing suicide at his order, the single largest non-accidental loss of American lives until 9/11.

Lee Harvey Oswald – Assassinated John F. Kennedy

James Earl Ray – Assassinated Martin Luther King.

Ted Bundy – Raped and murdered over 30 women in five states, including attacks on four sorority women in one night, and including teenagers and preteen girls.

Bob Irsay – Moved the Colts out of Baltimore.

Jeffrey Dahmer – Killed over a dozen men and ate them during his reign of  terror in the nineties.  Has become the quintessential modern serial killer.

Aldrich Ames – Traitor who provided significant classified material to the Soviet Union which resulted in the deaths of many Soviet defectors and agents working for the CIA.

Timothy McVeigh – Responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing, worst domestic terrorist attack in history

Honorable mentions: Benjamin Franklin Bache (journalist),  General Jeffrey Amherst (gave smallpox blankets to Indians),  Andrew Jackson (attempted genocide against the Indians), Roger Taney (Wrote Dred Scott, colluded with Buchanan), H.H. Holmes (early serial killer), Willam Calley (Vietnam war criminal), Paul Watson (pirate),  Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church founder), and whoever invented Jersey Shore (’nuff said).

Comments

  1. William T. Sherman’s capture of Atlanta and Savannah changed the Northern opinion of the war and ensured that Lincoln was reelected in 1864. Had Sherman not performed his march, we could of had President McClellan.

  2. The captures of Atlanta and Savannah could have been easily made without the needless civilian destruction made along his path of march.

  3. Steve Vaughan says:

    I assume Irsay is on there as a joke? Moving the Colts doesn’t strike me as as bad as being a serial killer and certainly no worse than the guys who moved the Dodger, Giants, Braves, Browns, etc…..;-)
    Buchanan was more incompetent than evil.
    You omitted Nixon, who I think of as the one truly evil man the American people have ever elected as their president.
    If you include Oswald and Ray, why no Sirhan Sirhan?
    Glad to see Phelps got an honorable mention, no one in American history has been in such dire need of a punch in the mouth as Fred Phelps.

  4. So he should have been a kinder conqueror? Sherman’s entire march depended on destroying the South’s ability to wage war. He wanted to make them sick of it. In addition, he freed all black slaves in his path and even provided them with land, which also makes him a liberator. While the people of Georgia and North Carolina suffered, so did the Army of Northern Virginia.

  5. local gop says:

    why must so many people bring up southern sympathy for the civil war? the south committed just as many if not more atrocities as the north did but all the southern sympathizers ignore that and jump on the ‘war of northern aggression’ band wagon.

  6. Your Mom says:

    For the record, we never said Bush was evil. We just said that he was very, very, very stupid and surrounded by evil people. Like Chaney. Most of his sins were ones of omission rather than commission.

    To Brian’s point: what’s new? Unless I’m reading history wrong, I don’t recall some magical period of comity that erupted allowing the resolution of major issues on level footing. Personally, I think that having all this thrashed out through nasty blog posts or TV adds is a damn bit better than having Preston Brooks almost beat you to death.

    But Jimmy Carter? Daffy maybe, but worse than Benedict Arnold? And Good God, who even reads Noam Chomsky anymore?

    As to your list: Sherman is no different from Eisenhower. Also, it’s a shame Reconstruction ended so soon. I, for one, would love to take a summer vacation to the sparkling beaches of the First Military District found in Virginia Beach.

  7. Loudoun Insider says:

    “Frankly, I think more folks on my own side of the aisle dislike me more than the Democrats do, which always strikes me as amusing.”

    Right there with you, my friend!

  8. Dan says:

    Steve, of course Irsay should be on the list. Taking the Colts was enough, but the method surely qualifies him. Bob Short should also make the evil list for taking the Senators to Texas.

    The guy who foisted diet beer on America should make the list too. Diet beer is purely evil as well as completely un-American and an affront to God.

    Many of our problems can be traced to the advent of diet beer. When our enemies saw that Americans were such suckers that they would fall for diet beer they made the judgement that we could be taken.

    That guy should roast in hell.

  9. Steve, as Dan noted, ask anyone old enough to remember from Baltimore if he belongs on this list and you’ll get a 100% yes.

  10. YM, you’re right – it’s nothing new. It’s been going on for as long as the Republic has existed. I’m not waxing nostaglic here. The fact that this has been a difficult thing for generations doesn’t mean we can’t point it out – especially when there’s a great example of it to use as a demonstration point – and hope for something better.

  11. Your Mom says:

    @ Brian. Typical Republican flip-flop on the issue of free markets. “Owners should be able to do what they want! It’s their business!” But take to Colts to Indy and it’s calls for protectionism.

  12. It would have been a big deal if he simply took them. What makes him one of the worst Americans in history is that he told folks that the team was going nowhere. A week later, the Mayflower trucks had cleaned everything out and they were off to Indy. He was a liar.

    Unforgivable.

  13. TomPaine says:

    Let’s not forget the “evil” Art Modell who moved the Browns from Cleveland to Baltimore.

    What this survey proves is that a lot of bloggers (Republican in this case) either know very little about American History or are in total denial about that history.

    Arguably, General James Wilkinson was more evil that General Benedict Arnold!

    And of course, despite his financial genius, Alexander Hamilton’s efforts to bankrupt the western frontiersmen in favor of the eastern bankers and businessmen as a means of financing the new federal government (on the backs of the poor and unrepresented settlers)in the 1790s, deserves special consideration!

  14. HisRoc says:

    Brian,

    Great essay, sprinkled with some sarcastic humor in the list that I suspect is too subtle for a few readers.

    Here is what George Washington had to say about political parties in his farewell address to the nation in 1796. You are right: Washington tried mightily to prevent the growth of political parties, which he considered inherently undemocratic and justifiable only under a monarchy. Jefferson was instrumental in their growth once Washington was gone.

    “Without looking forward to an extremity of this kind, (which nevertheless ought not to be entirely out of sight,) the common and continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it.

    It serves always to distract the Public Councils, and enfeeble the Public Administration. It agitates the Community with ill-founded jealousies and false alarms; kindles the animosity of one part against another, foments occasionally riot and insurrection. It opens the door to foreign influence and corruption, which find a facilitated access to the government itself through the channels of party passions. Thus the policy and the will of one country are subjected to the policy and will of another.”

    Looking at the partisan bickering and Congressional gridlock we have today thanks in no small part to both major political parties, I would say that Washington got it right.

  15. Steve Vaughan says:

    Dan: Couldn’t agree more on the diet beer guy, whoever that was.
    Brian: Yeah, Irsay’s a bad guy but Art Modell and whoever stole the St. Louis Browns for Baltimore were good guys, right? I will say Irsay should have left the name “Colts” in Baltimore at least.

  16. Your Mom says:

    As relates to the Diet Beer meme, according to Wiki the answer is “Joseph L. Owades, a biochemist working for New York’s Rheingold Brewery” who invented Miller Lite. May he rot in hell.

  17. TP, Hamilton almost made the list, but I figured he died too young and thus never reached his worst potential. Wilkinson is a good candidate, but I would go with Charles Lee first. He clearly cut a deal with Howe when he was a POW and I believe he was trying to throw Monmouth on purpose.

    Modell is less blameworthy because he never assured the people of Cleveland he wasn’t going to move the team before he did it. The Browns have their team back. Besides, I’m not a Ravens fan. Peter Angelos almost made the list. He should be an honorable mention.

  18. HisRoc says:

    BTW, I could not agree more heartily with SV on how badly Fred Phelps needs a beating. His abuse of the grieving families of fallen servicemen and women to call attention to his despicable brand of hatred and intolerance under the guise of the First Amendment proves that the Bill of Rights are not without reasonable limits.

    If you aren’t aware of it, Phelps’ assault on veterans’ families has prompted the creation of a nationwide motorcycle club called the Patriot Guard Riders. When the Westboro Baptist whack jobs show up at a military funeral, the grieving family and friends never see or hear them at the protesters’ position behind a strategically placed line of running Harley Davidson motorcycles whose riders are holding up a screen of American flags. You gotta love the ingenuity of bikers.

  19. BlackOut says:

    Who gives a S*it about the Colts and Baltimore!? Irsay is easily replaced by Bob Short. Let’s get local here! Baltimore got a team back quicker and in a shorter period of time than Washington did. 1971 was a hell of a long time ago.

    Awesome post Brian!

  20. BlackOut says:

    Also, I agree with T Jefferson’s inclusion on this list. Mainly for the fact he had something to do with UVA.

  21. What can I say, BO – I grew up in Baltimore so the Colts leaving was very personal to me. The Senators had been long gone and sucking it up in Texas by the time I was old enough to remember.

  22. Debbie Munoz says:

    JIMMY CARTER? http://wejew.com/media/794/Carter's_Jew_War/
    He’s a pretty good candidate for your list Brian.

  23. Steve Vaughan says:

    Debbie: Like Buchanan, Carter was more inept than evil. He was a rotten president but not because he tried to do anything evil, but because everything he tried to do failed.

  24. Debbie Munoz says:

    He failed at many things but he never failed at being a miserable Anti-Semite.

  25. Steve Vaughan says:

    (sigh) I think this demonstrates that the original post was right on target.

  26. mr. ed says:

    People didn’t like Carter because he told the uncomfortable truth RE: our oil dependence that no one wanted to hear. If we had started working on the problem seriously back then, who knows where we would be now? We much preferred sweet old Grandaddy Ronald Reagan who made it OK to be a Christian and hate poor people at the same time. And don’t forget his great economic theories (trickle down) that worked great for corporations and rich people, but somehow didn’t do much for the middle class. But he was likeable, heck I voted for him!

  27. HisRoc says:

    mr. ed,

    Our economy suffered four recessions in 12 years before the Reagan economic policies were put in place. After that, we enjoyed record prosperity. Economists, including those who wrote the official history of US tax policy on the US Treasury web site, credit the Reagan economic policies with creating the growth and balanced budgets of the Clinton Administration.

    Do your homework instead of quoting left wing talking points.

  28. Steve Vaughan says:

    HisRoc: Gotcha! Haven’t you argued, somewhat persuasively, that the Clinton budgets weren’t actually balanced? Suddenly now they were, when you need that evidence to argue for the greatness of Reagan? BTW, do you know if the history section of that website has been updated since the GWB administration? While I don’t have the great fear and loathing that some other people do for Reagan — I’ll save that for Nixon — he didn’t hang the moon either, as so many Republicans would have one believe.

  29. mr. ed says:

    His Roc, I don’t have to do homework, I lived thru it. I well remember the 14% interest rates on home mortgages when St. Ronnie of Reagan was at the helm.

  30. HisRoc says:

    SV,

    You are correct. The Clinton budgets were balanced only by borrowing from the Social Security Trust Fund. However, they were also balanced in that they did not increase the annual spending deficit, just future obligations towards SS. As to whether or not the tax policy history at the Treasury web site has been updated, your question presumes that each administration can re-write history.

    mr.ed,

    I lived through it, too. Do you also recall the 20.5% prime interest rate under Jimmy Carter?

    The 14% rate that you quote was in 1982, one year after Reagan was inaugurated. By the end of his second term, the rate was 8.25%

    However, since you want to hold Reagan responsible for economic statistics one year into his first term, I assume that you also hold Obama responsible for 9.8% unemployment?

  31. mr. ed says:

    I certainly am not an expert in economics, and I don’t hold Reagan responsible for the economic conditions that existed after he took office. By the way, didn’t he raise taxes? The unforgivable sin!!

    Remember “stagflation”? I don’t exactly recall when we were suffering from that, but it’s a cool word!

  32. TomPaine says:

    Brian:

    I forgot General Charles Lee, but bid you one up on General Thomas Conway and raise you on Robert Morris.

  33. HisRoc says:

    mr. ed,

    I also don’t believe that there are any experts in economics. Economists have predicted 15 of the last five recessions and if you laid them all end-to-end they wouldn’t reach a conclusion. For example, last week I was watching an interesting debate on CNN between two highly qualified economists. One was arguing that the Federal government needs to increase mortgage relief to prop up home prices and prevent deflation and a depression. The other was arguing that the Federal government needs to let home price continue to fall to end the home price bubble, return housing costs to normal levels and thereby end the recession. One of them is obviously right and the other is dangerously wrong. But, which one?

    Reagan both raised taxes and lowered taxes during his two terms. Economist refer to his tax policy not as the Reagan Tax Cuts or the Reagan Tax Increases, but the Reagan Tax Reform. Across the board, he increased taxes in some sectors and lowered taxes in others, seeking a taxation system that encouraged economic activity and savings. Most historians believe that it worked.

  34. HisRoc says:

    mr. ed,

    Also

    Stagflation is one of the many good reasons that people hate Jimmy Carter. It describes an economic condition in which inflation continues while business activity declines and unemployment increases. This is an economic paradox that had never been seen before the 70′s and hasn’t been seen since. Many economist attribute it primarily to the 1973 Arab oil boycott and subsequent increased energy prices that were unrelated to business activity. Historians blame Carter for doing everything wrong in trying to control it.

  35. Steve Vaughan says:

    HisRoc: My question didn’t assume that each adminstration CAN rewrite history, just that each one TRIES.

  36. Your Mom says:

    The Rethuglican Party need to make Carter worse to make President Bedtime for Bonzo look better. Plaing and simple.

  37. TP, I think Conway was just another one of the French pretender types who had a greater opinion of his abilities than he was worth. The army was crawling with them. Robert Morris wasn’t a bad guy, he was just unlucky.

  38. Carter wasn’t simply bad because the economy was bad. His foreign policy was his biggest failure, in my opinion, and that had nothing to do with Reagan. Between ignoring the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan to the hostage crisis, he just wasn’t ready to handle anything significant when it came to foreign policy. That, coupled with the bad economy, is what made him so bad.

    He wasn’t the worst president – that was Buchanan – but he’s in the top ten. He was just completely ineffective.

  39. HisRoc says:

    SV,

    No argument that each administration tries to re-write history; usually before they even leave office they are already revising their own performance. Fortunately, we still have independent scholars and a free press in this country to keep them honest.

    Possibly the only thing that I can credit the Bush 43 administration with was that they didn’t try to blame Clinton for 9-11. But then they went and blew it when Cheney came out from under his rock last year and starting throwing rocks at Obama on homeland security. It is very distasteful for a former administration to criticize their successors, whether it is Cheney doing it or Obama doing it. That was another aspect of Reagan that will cause historians to consider him one of the great presidents. For all the problems that Ford and Carter left him, he took ownership the day he was sworn in and never pointed fingers at his predecessors.

  40. HisRoc says:

    Brian,

    You give Jimmy Carter too much credit. He was also a dismal failure as Commander-in-Chief. He froze military pay for the first three years of his administration, creating a recruiting crisis for the all-volunteer military that required a catch-up pay raise of 11.9% in 1980. He canceled and delayed major weapons programs and inadvertently disclosed our top secret stealth aircraft program when trying to defend his record on national security. After the Soviet Union disbanded, the successor agency to the KGB released reports that had been submitted to Brezhnev and the Poliburo after Reagan’s election. They maintained that a window of opportunity for the Soviet bloc was quickly closing and that the United States and NATO had never been weaker and would only get stronger under Reagan. The reports recommended a preemptive strike on NATO.

    Carter almost prompted World War III and a possible nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union.

  41. Debbie Munoz says:

    There was a general fealing in the Carter Days that we couldn’t get a grip on things. the Iran hostage crisis went on for what seemed forever and we had the 20% prime, gas lines, rationing with people lining up on alternate days according to their license plate numbers. Many people were running out of fuel and pushing their cars. I’m not just bashing Carter because he’s a Democrat. I was working for the New York Times D.C. Bureau and living in MD– everyone around me was a Democrat, all of my friends and co-workers. It’s just that Carter seemed incompetent and like some sort of nebbish. There was so much economic uncertainty. The one thing I thought was hopeful about him was the meeting he brought about between Sadat and Begin, giving Egypt and Israel about 16 months of peace. That was a breth of fresh air. In retrospect I’m not sure what motivated him now that he is so blatantly prejudiced.

  42. Debbie Munoz says:

    pardon my typos–I’m rushing

  43. Steve Vaughan says:

    Hey, Jimmy Carter was the first guy I ever voted for — Ford pardoned Nixon — but he was a miserable president. Brian, I agree that his foreign policy was awful. HisRoc, I was in the service during part of the Carter years and I agree he was awful for the military. I voted for John Anderson in 1980.
    But he still wasn’t the worst president ever.
    As Brian notes, he was better than Buchanan.
    As he fails to note, he was better than George W. Bush as well. GWB combined Carter’s ineptness with Nixon’s paranoia and love of secrets.
    He still wasn’t the worst.
    Nixon was.
    Even though he had some praise-worthy accomplishments, particularly diplomatically, he was an evil totalitarian scumbag who was so crooked he had to be screwed into his pants every morning.He prefered to lie than to tell the truth,even if the truth was better for him. He’s the only guy we’ve every elected who hated us.
    Whatever anybody ever said about GWB, nobody called him a thief. RMN was one.

  44. Steve Vaughan says:

    BTW, since I was reminded of him today by his obit, I’d certainly nominate James J. Kilpatrick as one of the 25 worst Americans of all time.

  45. I’d give him an honorable mention, Steve. And I still think Buchanan was worse. Nixon’s foreign policy was actually pretty good. This is contrasted with Buchanan, who had no redeeming qualities whatsoever.

  46. HisRoc says:

    Steve,

    Kilpatrick was one of the worst 25 Americans of all time, right up there with Benedict Arnold, Ted Bundy, and Richard Nixon?

    I see. Then you also would agree that Gore Vidal belongs on the list, or are only conservative columnists evil?

    I think that you have validated Brian’s thesis for this entire essay. Congratulations.

  47. Credo says:

    I nominate Peter Angelos for bringing the O’s from Contenders to Pretenders.

  48. mr. ed says:

    HisRoc, thanks for the definition of stagflation, and your other astute observations.

  49. I know I’m late to the show on this, but a these thoughts have been brewing for the last couple days.

    You list plenty of traitors, football team owners and other serial murders, but, once you get past them, what Americans have done the most damage to America? On that count, I have to strongly disagree that Jefferson, Jackson and Sherman should be anywhere near this list. What about the Confederates – like Lee or Jefferson Davis – who did, in fact, destroy this country? I also do agree that Nixon should be on the list for what he did to the institution of the presidency.

  50. And speaking of damage to the presidency, add Monica Lewinsky

  51. Lloyd, when I was making up my list, I focused on those who I felt had bad motivations and were successfully in carrying those intentions out. Davis and Lee may have damaged America, but they did so because they felt compelled to do so, not because they wanted to hurt the north. As Davis commonly said, all the Confederacy wanted was to be left alone.

    I think motivations are important because they go to character.

  52. Steve Vaughan says:

    HisRoc: Certainly not only conservative commenters would be evil and of course not all conservatives commenters are evil. I’m not aware of anything that Gore Vidal did that rises to the level of evil that being the mouthpiece of Massive Resistance does.

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